tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post596131582184417507..comments2024-03-18T02:14:57.204-07:00Comments on Google Operating System: The Self-Serving Google+ ResultsAlex Chituhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02618542750965508582noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-51184199896530848612012-06-15T15:14:25.847-07:002012-06-15T15:14:25.847-07:00Both of those upgrades to the service would just b...Both of those upgrades to the service would just be Google continuing down the path of giving users direct answers to their search query.rikihttp://jailbreakset.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-76968625736897645802012-06-15T15:13:45.341-07:002012-06-15T15:13:45.341-07:00Alex did you watch last week's This Week in Go...Alex did you watch last week's This Week in Google? I think Matt Cutts was on to discuss this.ristehttp://technologyset.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-48172331283473354912012-02-03T23:36:24.803-08:002012-02-03T23:36:24.803-08:00The trouble is, they can push Google+ all they lik...The trouble is, they can push Google+ all they like, but if people aren’t finding their friends and family using it every day as they do the rival networks, aren’t they going to think slightly less of Google Search as a result?ANnahttp://techno-pro.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-31427508276684374392012-01-30T08:46:58.405-08:002012-01-30T08:46:58.405-08:00personally, I don't care either way. from wha...personally, I don't care either way. from what I know, they (social media sites like facebook/twitter) are all flawed. I personally use facebook currently, for a few reasons. my break with myspace was because even with help topics there were things I simply couldn't figure out for personalization. I tried twitter, but I'm not one for sound bites. they feel cheap and one dimensional, so I only used it for about a week. Facebook, now I'm having issues because it gives the option to create the group "family" but it never comes up in the personalization features, like if I post something I have the option of making it available to "close friends", "friends of friends", or "public"- no where does it include "family", and half the people on my page are family members - but aren't in my "close friends" group, just in "family".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-26505832751919236882012-01-25T15:54:19.367-08:002012-01-25T15:54:19.367-08:00I hope that my arguments carry no more weight than...I hope that my arguments carry no more weight than their soundness, independent of my identity (in the same way that a mathematical proof is correct or incorrect independent of the mathematician).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-51858552602710857742012-01-25T15:51:04.283-08:002012-01-25T15:51:04.283-08:00Although I agree that the complaints are ill-found...Although I agree that the complaints are ill-founded, I'm not sure I agree with your reasoning here. Google should point out when something is an advertisement, whether for its products or others.<br /><br />A different way to look at this is that Google has promoted some services in the past, such as Google Maps. Many people have accepted this because Google's products have in fact been the superior and many remain so. Some would argue that this latter logic does not hold true.<br /><br />I am, however, happy with their promoting Google+ in the same way they promote Google Maps because it seems to me that Google as an entire product is stronger with an integrated identity service. There are other reasons why I believe it is acceptable, but if it was an advertisement it should be labeled as such.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-36517492451358933192012-01-25T13:21:11.166-08:002012-01-25T13:21:11.166-08:00Anonymous: Your arguments would carry more weight ...Anonymous: Your arguments would carry more weight if you'd step out from behind the mask.Roger H Charleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13562823128644925388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-4026427320193848162012-01-25T12:58:38.630-08:002012-01-25T12:58:38.630-08:00I think data liberation is key to this debate. If ...I think data liberation is key to this debate. If Google didn't have the data liberation efforts, I definitely agree that it would be unethical. But they do, so I'm happily using it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-55392628725467720592012-01-25T12:55:45.290-08:002012-01-25T12:55:45.290-08:00This really sounds like hyperbole, Sterling. Indee...This really sounds like hyperbole, Sterling. Indeed, the social search results feature Google+ in several ways encouraging users to sign-up, but the sign-up process for Google+ is presented in a transparent manner.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-37600856513416513772012-01-25T12:47:50.464-08:002012-01-25T12:47:50.464-08:00I really like it, perfect integration. Unethical? ...I really like it, perfect integration. Unethical? I don't know, its their product, you don't have to use it. You can take all with Google TakeOut. Do not want FB.KoalaBearnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-18083791016320982992012-01-25T12:14:05.527-08:002012-01-25T12:14:05.527-08:00What Google is doing here is tricking people into ...What Google is doing here is tricking people into joining its social networking site so that it came increase its members and possibly use that as a way to get more advertising money.<br /><br />Alex did you watch last week's This Week in Google? I think Matt Cutts was on to discuss this.<br /><br />Great post!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-42730372794202728332012-01-25T11:56:07.497-08:002012-01-25T11:56:07.497-08:00Why do you think people believe it is unethical? I...Why do you think people believe it is unethical? I'm trying to figure this out, but most of the arguments that have been echoed by the valley journalists do not make sense to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-2200532407333887012012-01-25T11:54:15.393-08:002012-01-25T11:54:15.393-08:00I don't think focus on the user is well-intent...I don't think focus on the user is well-intentioned at all.<br /><br />I agree with Evan about this:<br /><br />https://plus.google.com/u/0/104323674441008487802/posts/AtPzt8HUXiL<br /><br />Also, think about the consequences of Google supporting a closed internet in the long term. Stephen Foley's commentary on this was interesting:<br /><br />http://www.iol.co.za/scitech/technology/internet/google-has-a-fight-on-its-hands-1.1213444<br /><br />The Hacker News and to a lesser extent the SlashDot discussions had some vaguely interesting things to say:<br /><br />http://search.slashdot.org/story/12/01/23/2045235/facebook-twitter-and-myspace-to-google-dont-be-evilAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-30554914629816540192012-01-25T11:46:56.186-08:002012-01-25T11:46:56.186-08:00Exactly David. I wouldn't be surprised if my G...Exactly David. I wouldn't be surprised if my Google Docs results, etc... were integrated at one point.<br /><br />And this is why it is imperative to have Google+ favored; it is, as Eric Schmidt said an identity service. What this suggests is it will enable to sharing and searching of Google Docs perhaps even Gmail right in social search.<br /><br />The main difficulty with incorporation other services (Facebook and Twitter and the like) into such a framework is that both of those services were unwilling to allow permissions and friends etc... to be connected to Google search.<br /><br />I would love people to imagine what this social search could become, rather than focusing on what I believe is a red herring about search bias.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-24079186042174418702012-01-25T11:41:11.646-08:002012-01-25T11:41:11.646-08:00Do you have more suggestions? I'd love to hear...Do you have more suggestions? I'd love to hear.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-10000353876944350532012-01-25T11:40:33.838-08:002012-01-25T11:40:33.838-08:00Exactly. This bookmarklet by a Facebook engineer d...Exactly. This bookmarklet by a Facebook engineer distracts from the hypocrisy of Facebook's and Twitter's position.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-23912794074366106902012-01-25T11:38:52.381-08:002012-01-25T11:38:52.381-08:00RE: regardless of where the content lives?
The pr...RE: regardless of where the content lives?<br /><br />The problem is that if Google allows a closed internet to develop than it won't be able to find "exactly what you were looking for". Google can't do the same thing with Facebook and Twitter because both of those companies refuse to allow me to connect my data to Google's services.<br /><br />I see Google's integration of Google+ into search as a way to either prevent Twitter and Facebook from keeping our data in their silos by encouraging users to switch to Google+. Alternatively, it is a play that may compel those services to grant users the ability to use their data in Google social search, as they already allow with Bing.<br /><br />Google's move could backfire, but at the moment I see it as a business and technical move to achieve the aim you want in the long term: <br /><br />"help you find exactly what you were looking for and did it better than anyone else"<br /><br />And it if they achieve this goal in a year from now -- which for business reasons they cannot today -- then you might be willing to use their service in a heartbeat then.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-64486511304904090042012-01-25T11:32:18.385-08:002012-01-25T11:32:18.385-08:00I disagree with you Roger. I think Google should t...I disagree with you Roger. I think Google should take a stand against Facebook's and Twitter's positions because both service do not provide federated social solutions or meaningful data liberation (there is not easy way for me to use my data from Facebook in Google search as I would like). By pushing Google+ in a way that integrates with search they may undermine the value of Facebook's walled garden.<br /><br />I believe that this move is in my medium term interest as a user. However, it would be awesome if we all adopted genuinely open social solutions in the long term.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-71827800706649688682012-01-25T11:28:37.687-08:002012-01-25T11:28:37.687-08:00I very much disagree with you Alex. I hope Google ...I very much disagree with you Alex. I hope Google actually is biased toward it's own identity service. Twitter and Facebook are walled gardens; they are not the same as the open internet. I like Mike Elgans take on this:<br /><br />http://www.datamation.com/networks/why-critics-of-googles-new-social-search-are-wrong-1.html<br /><br />I also think that Google shouldn't point to Facebook in social search results unless there is genuine integration as there is with Bing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-30572142851971776682012-01-25T03:44:17.012-08:002012-01-25T03:44:17.012-08:00I’ve learned a lot from your blog here! Keep on go...I’ve learned a lot from your blog here! Keep on going, I will keep an eye on it.JonathanNhttp://www.nedcon.ro/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-6930025024814800192012-01-25T03:28:00.044-08:002012-01-25T03:28:00.044-08:00When Facebook and Twitter learn to share then perh...When Facebook and Twitter learn to share then perhaps they would have a point. <br /><br />Plus I think the reason Google did not integrate is because they have a whole pipe line of future updates they will implement needs far deeper integration that Facebook or Twitter would ever allow.<br /><br />For example reading a brand page posts directly in Google search results. Being able to view elements of a person profile that is relevant to your search results directly from the search page, an example is if you search for Thomas Hawk, the most likely reason will be to look as his public photos so they will allow you to simply browse through his photo albums on Google+. It hard to see Facebook or Twitter to allowing this type of integration. <br /><br />Both of those upgrades to the service would just be Google continuing down the path of giving users direct answers to their search query.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00017627173674962025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-45683711240871556172012-01-25T03:23:46.623-08:002012-01-25T03:23:46.623-08:00When Facebook and Twitter learn to share then perh...When Facebook and Twitter learn to share then perhaps they would have a point. <br /><br />Plus I think the reason Google did not integrate is because they have a whole pipe line of future updates they will implement needs far deeper integration that Facebook or Twitter would ever allow.<br /><br />For example reading a brand page posts directly in Google search results. Being able to view elements of a person profile that is relevant to your search results directly from the search page, an example is if you search for<br /><br />Both of those upgrades to the service would just be Google continuing down the path of giving users direct answers to their search query.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00017627173674962025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-67217404684182344822012-01-25T02:10:26.766-08:002012-01-25T02:10:26.766-08:00"Fair" has nothing to do with it, and sh..."Fair" has nothing to do with it, and shouldn't, you could search elsewhere if you like! G+ is part of search like many products soon would be. It's all one product that's the goal.Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-56829558155929034582012-01-24T22:18:49.457-08:002012-01-24T22:18:49.457-08:00Google didn't "used to" display ads ...Google didn't "used to" display ads in the right sidebar - they still do! The right sidebar has always been reserved for sponsored results which is why it's meritless to be complaining about G+ pages being promoted there.ersouzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05515414061970177178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-32495765192658591442012-01-24T19:46:27.595-08:002012-01-24T19:46:27.595-08:00I agree with you, Alex. Let the content determine...I agree with you, Alex. Let the content determine the results, not the prejudices of the search provider.Roger H Charleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13562823128644925388noreply@blogger.com