tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post7538313260985337129..comments2024-03-18T02:14:57.204-07:00Comments on Google Operating System: Google Search Shows More Results From Google+Alex Chituhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02618542750965508582noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-27204642462291422952012-03-15T12:49:23.520-07:002012-03-15T12:49:23.520-07:00I've just wasted all day trying to get the STU...I've just wasted all day trying to get the STUPID "latest posts" crap on the right side of a Google search to go away. So far, the only way I can stop it is to block google.com ...<br /><br />I USED TO LOVE GOOGLE NOW IT IS MY MISSION TO DEFEAT THEM.<br /><br />I'm working on code that will scrub my browser window of any trace of GOOGLE CRAP other than the (now wrong, usually) search results.<br /><br />What a bunch of FREAKING MORONS Google has proven to be..<br /><br />SteveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-43537266638184041512012-02-15T07:57:02.495-08:002012-02-15T07:57:02.495-08:00How to activate this version?How to activate this version?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-17867677408977630042012-02-02T03:51:52.153-08:002012-02-02T03:51:52.153-08:00Of course. I think there is good stuff in the Goog...Of course. I think there is good stuff in the Google plus pages than the other websites. So, it might be showing those pages.Henry Louishttp://www.i95dev.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-56599827109754858862012-01-19T06:39:44.763-08:002012-01-19T06:39:44.763-08:00RE: The biggest reason why Google search has becom...RE: The biggest reason why Google search has become less useful is its simple failure to perform the search that I asked for, in the terms that I used.<br /><br />Yes, personalized search might not be sufficiently predictive today. And for this reason I switch to the "world view" for Google searches at times and perhaps for you, you might want to turn off SPYW entirely.<br /><br />However, I am very enthusiastic about what SPYW can become, as it is trained. (I also like what it already is for me). I view SPYW as an exercise in machine learning, where we are the mechanical turks training Google search about the best results for a given query. Google appears to expanded the set of features that it will use for this supervised learning paradigm to include social signals. And I suspect that those social signals will be incredibly important. I want Terence Tao's social signals to guide my Google search results, because I highly respect his annotation of the open content of the web and the closed content of Google+.<br /><br />RE: The + operator became my greatest ally for a while<br /><br />Quotation marks are a useful replacement for this.<br /><br />RE: When I search for something, I already know WHAT I want to find, I just need to locate it.<br /><br />I guess I differ there at times. When I am trying to explore different aspects topics, such as compressed sensing, I sometimes turn to Google. Terence Tao's annotation of web content is useful here and there are other examples as well.<br /><br />RE: But I highly doubt it.<br /><br />We will have to see. Again, I view this as a machine learning problem and it is highly unlikely that this machine that is SPYW has converged onto its final model of me for the predictions it could make. I do know suspect, however, that the more I use it the better I will be able to test the hypothesis that it will yield superior results.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-26726424825566725372012-01-18T18:12:55.272-08:002012-01-18T18:12:55.272-08:00Actually, no. The biggest reason why Google search...Actually, no. The biggest reason why Google search has become less useful is its simple failure to perform the search that I asked for, in the terms that I used. Rather than returning hits for the words I typed, it searches for what it thinks I *might* have meant... meaning I get results filled with pages where half the search terms don't appear, and numerous hits for similarly spelled and more popular but completely unrelated topics. The + operator became my greatest ally for a while; it was the only way to force each term to appear as I spelled it - but then of course Google removed that too. <br /><br />When I search for something, I already know WHAT I want to find, I just need to locate it. Google used to be great at locating specific information that the searcher wanted. Now it isn't. That's not to say that SEO etc isn't partially to blame, but Google hasn't countered the problem effectively. I would love it if Google+ proved to be the factor that gained Google the upper hand against "the open web", and search results actually improved as a result. But I highly doubt it. It'll be a moot point anyway if Google continues to replace all my search syntax with its own opinion of what I REALLY wanted...Josenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-66607468368008237732012-01-18T06:51:07.204-08:002012-01-18T06:51:07.204-08:00I agree. How can a search engine stay relevant and...I agree. How can a search engine stay relevant and good if there is threat of it being ignorant in the future. Google had to take a stand against other closed data systems, and I see the tying of Google+ to Google search as a way to do this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-16253852436889425322012-01-18T06:49:44.420-08:002012-01-18T06:49:44.420-08:00Correct, but potentially not entirely accurate.
...Correct, but potentially not entirely accurate. <br /><br />I suspect that identity (recall Schmidt's comment about Google+ being an identity service), will be written into the kernel of Google OS and it will be not be changeable by other services (such as Facebook and Twitter). I view this a good thing, because human identity is unchangeable, (despite Chris Poole's insightful commentary about our having multiple different persona).<br /><br />I suspect that Google would love to include social data, but not identity from these other social services (Twitter, Facebook and others). This suspicion is supported by the observation that only verified Google+ users are included in the typeahead.<br /><br />I do hope that tech bloggers start to think more deeply about this issue (from all different perspectives and not just the 2004 mode of thinking about organic search results and search "fairness"). I have gained an enormous amount of respect for Google's efforts with SPYW; it shows bravery on many different fronts and is potentially a huge technical advance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-29627865501799110402012-01-18T06:44:30.942-08:002012-01-18T06:44:30.942-08:00No. It is highly unlikely that the FTC will do any...No. It is highly unlikely that the FTC will do anything, unless there is a major political rather than legal contribution to their actions. Tying (or bundling as we all think of it), is not universally seen as a negative by many economists and lawyers. Indeed, the Sherman Act does not mandate that tying is an abuse of monopoly power. And it is unlikely that Google will be considered a monopoly anyway.<br /><br />From a personal perspective, I am appreciate that Google is willing to push a social service that might be (it has yet to be proven) a viable alternative to Facebook. I believe that Facebook has been able to get away with incredible abuses because there has been no meaningful way to overcome the network effects of social networks. By tying Google+ to Google search, they have taken a brave stand for, I believe, the betterment of the Internet users and the Internet as a whole.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-65290391981937504812012-01-18T06:39:26.335-08:002012-01-18T06:39:26.335-08:00No. One of the key reasons that Google search has ...No. One of the key reasons that Google search has been becoming less useful is that the open web has been learning how to game search results. By installing a people powered firewall, Google adds a reputation layer over these results that can further filter them.<br /><br />In addition, Google search needs data in order to better the search results. If this data is unavailable, because we all decide that we want to Tweet, use apps and OpenGraph, etc... then Google has no data to provide us with results. And the favoring of Google+ in Google search is a way to launch an absolutely necessary update.<br /><br />Social has been added to the "kernel" of the Google OS and it had to be added in that way so that it couldn't be gamed; either by other services depriving Google of the social signal or by the open web manipulating it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-12069329629630109602012-01-18T06:34:28.798-08:002012-01-18T06:34:28.798-08:00No. Search can be powered by social signals. This ...No. Search can be powered by social signals. This is a migration this is a critical update that pushes toward better AI.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-67045164757994596332012-01-18T06:33:18.880-08:002012-01-18T06:33:18.880-08:00But I think that favoring G+ results is an excelle...But I think that favoring G+ results is an excellent stick to encourage closed data systems to open up. It is my social data after all, and I'd love to use it in the new Google search. I wish bloggers would think of this from a business perspective and in a long term way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-21402178992355020222012-01-14T16:04:24.149-08:002012-01-14T16:04:24.149-08:00Dreadful, just awful. Enough already with pushing ...Dreadful, just awful. Enough already with pushing plus in our goddamn faces all the time. Hope the FTC jumps on this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-53083668596952011302012-01-12T17:25:35.658-08:002012-01-12T17:25:35.658-08:00something similar with an uncle of mine. he hates ...something similar with an uncle of mine. he hates the icon based buttons in gmail and he has no idea about the dropdown for contacts and tasks.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03402233537894619565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-21235010252770981222012-01-12T17:24:17.367-08:002012-01-12T17:24:17.367-08:00the only thing remaining would be desktop search. ...the only thing remaining would be desktop search. and using the local database (if the user was using google desktop which sadly is no longer supported) they could have added desktop search to their online search database. (a bit of sarcasm). :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03402233537894619565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-59352305299347885342012-01-12T08:53:13.638-08:002012-01-12T08:53:13.638-08:00@ The other Anonymous,
My mother recently emailed...@ The other Anonymous,<br /><br />My mother recently emailed me because she couldn't find her contacts in Gmail anymore. They had changed the interface on her. I correctly surmised that she was looking at the new interface where the contacts are accessible via the drop down menu labeled "Mail". This was not obvious to her. Generally, hiding navigation options in drop down menus is bad for your (mostly non-tech savvy) users. I wholeheartedly disagree that the drop down menu is a better navigation interface, even if it pops open by default (which is the part that annoys me the most).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-61683809674434367612012-01-12T02:58:39.713-08:002012-01-12T02:58:39.713-08:00I actually like the move, and love to see google w...I actually like the move, and love to see google willing to cross the line, it's google, not AT&T. All google does is search, if the world wants more social message and twitter & Facebook don't give it, google just makes one, that's all.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06283316426295147389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-3120747205235184782012-01-11T09:05:01.428-08:002012-01-11T09:05:01.428-08:00I don't think that Google is being unfair. The...I don't think that Google is being unfair. They are pushing the envelope on social networking and search. They tried integrating social network updates and posts before. They've had plenty of trouble getting everyone on board. Now they are sitting in the driver's seat, and they've unloaded the race car of all it's unnecessary baggage weight.Nate Cresshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10783112965224940503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-16069219050077258882012-01-11T07:08:39.171-08:002012-01-11T07:08:39.171-08:00David Knowles above is right. Google will be more ...David Knowles above is right. Google will be more than happy to include relevant results from competing social services in its search results, if those services allowed their USERS' public data to be truly public (open and indexable). Since Google+ is still in its infancy compared to FB and Twitter, including data from those services will only make Google results more useful. So, Google would love to do this.A Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03768568740804456403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-1334212358113707032012-01-11T05:26:38.143-08:002012-01-11T05:26:38.143-08:00Google is migrating from a Search engine to a soci...Google is migrating from a Search engine to a social site.best cellulite creamshttp://www.bestanticellulitetreatmentcream.com/best-cellulite-cream/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-21495975609351867532012-01-11T01:39:46.748-08:002012-01-11T01:39:46.748-08:00@ Anonymous
On the contrary... the current black ...@ Anonymous<br /><br />On the contrary... the current black nav-bar looks like something from the nineties... I can't wait for the new nav-bar to come to all G's products. What "some people" seem to forget is that the new nav-bar not only contains the links to other G products/services in a dropdown menu to the left and the G+ features to the right (kinda like now) but it also finally adds a search box which looks the same and is placed the same place across all of G's product pages but it still contains search tools specific to the individual product (e.g. in mail you can search for "subject" field etc.)<br /><br />There were also some BS circulating for a while about how you would need an extra click to access the links because of the new dropdown menu but it's a "hover-menu" which unfolds automatically when you move the cursor over it and in fact it's unfolded as default on the search page. I'm also convinced it'll be customizable after a while so you can choose and sort the links in the order you prefer to the products you use the most.<br /><br />Check out some of the previous posts (http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2011/11/googles-hidden-navigation-menu.html) here on this very blog about the new nav-bar to remind yourself how cool it actually is ;)<br /><br />And if you're interested in UI/UX check out the video (http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2011/10/more-about-googles-new-design.html) from UX Week 2011 where Jon Wiley (one of the people behind Google's new look) talks about how "some people" automatically criticizes changes to products they use daily but almost all come around after having tried the new UI for a short while. It's not like it's a bunch of highschool students who thinks they're great designers who just threw up some amateur stuff without having any idea about it... it's very skilled designers who check and double-check the UI and UX using many different types of tests across many different groups of people (not least G's own 20,000+ employees) before it's released to the public.<br /><br />It's always a good thing to try new things for a while before criticizing them. In the case of new UI's I never post anything before I've tried it for at least 3 or 4 days even though I might have an instant gut reaction liking or disliking it. After playing around with a new UI for a few days one usually realizes that there's a very good reason for most of the changes and it's often way better than before... not to mention much more aesthetically pleasing ;) <br /><br />Anonymous 2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-61821648898595319162012-01-10T16:40:56.211-08:002012-01-10T16:40:56.211-08:00James: I configured my father's browser to cle...James: I configured my father's browser to clear cookies every time it shuts down, and over the last few months, whenever I was at his house and got on the Internet, I noticed a different version of the top bar appear, sometimes going back and forth multiple times in a single day. Google was definitely heavily AB testing the two versions, I think due to some initial criticism of the newest bar, and it looks like the black bar won. I like it better, too, and am glad I never got "upgraded" to the newest one. The drop down menu looked like a big, floppy ear that just got in the way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-51304471322637676632012-01-10T16:20:06.407-08:002012-01-10T16:20:06.407-08:00They would love to add Facebook likes and spent mo...They would love to add Facebook likes and spent months negotiating with Twitter for access to its data, neither was willing to share it with Google for a reasonable fee, twitter was rumored have want hundreds of millions a year. <br /><br />It the same with other services. Data is the only thing many of these sites have to sell, apart from ad space and Google is not willing to pay what they were asking for <br /><br />Which is why they have been force to build Google+. I would love it if Twitter and Facebook and Google could all come to a nice arrangement where they all get access to each other data with fair compensation in place for access to that data.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00017627173674962025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-73906947554758028612012-01-10T12:47:59.970-08:002012-01-10T12:47:59.970-08:00They may not have popped the filter bubble, but th...They may not have popped the filter bubble, but they've put pressure on it. I'm slightly more inclined to start using +1 more because of this. <br /><br />As an aside, many of us have probably seen the black bar creep back. It's telling that it's so prominent in Amit's official blog post.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07753888590653927699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-35004449217685436432012-01-10T12:12:29.913-08:002012-01-10T12:12:29.913-08:00They could easily add calendar, email, and Google ...They could easily add calendar, email, and Google Voice data within search in coming iterations, I think this will initially accustom users to the possibilities.Davidnoreply@blogger.com