tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post7961770383145373543..comments2024-03-18T02:14:57.204-07:00Comments on Google Operating System: Opera, the Real Google BrowserAlex Chituhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02618542750965508582noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-84901426347101103292007-11-07T04:01:00.000-08:002007-11-07T04:01:00.000-08:00Just opera still have problems with javacript, and...Just opera still have problems with javacript, and google use it a lot.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16335796303763517937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-31737760777420017142007-09-25T02:17:00.000-07:002007-09-25T02:17:00.000-07:00I've been using Opera for 10 consequtive years and...I've been using Opera for 10 consequtive years and I would say there is no web page that has problems with it. It's some ajax and dhtml but thats page problem, not the browser.<BR/><BR/>Come on people use real things - set a server in your home, for mail, for web, for internet sharing... Why would you need google for anything else than web searching.<BR/><BR/>My second best in browsers - Safari.<BR/>Third - IE 6 - IE 7 sux, well Windows sucks<BR/>Forth - links/lynx<BR/>Fifth - telnet<BR/><BR/>....<BR/>Firefox is a forbidden word here. More than 5 minutes just to start on vanilla windows/linux with vanilla firefox. 60+megs memory per tab. No tab saving, no MDI, what the hell. <BR/><BR/>Well I have google account, I admit it. It's just because I want to see the usenet history google collects and I don't want to pay for posting to usenet.Таралежhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02932450031609529277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-60961489003672944652007-09-07T02:26:00.000-07:002007-09-07T02:26:00.000-07:00opera IMHO is an undiscovered star. there are 2 re...opera IMHO is an undiscovered star. there are 2 reasons why it is not as popular as FF<BR/>1. closed-source<BR/>2. support of certain online content<BR/><BR/>Kestrel (7.5) should resolve a lot of point 2. I am not sure IF opera will ever go open source, which will then allow a greater community buy-in for opera.<BR/><BR/>Alex, i use a lot of google products, but do find that Opera lets me do most of that including RSS/mail etc, without having to go online to use google! So you are kinda right that there is an overlap in philosophy, but there does not seem any direct synergies between the two (yet)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-22030822989933113302007-09-05T15:26:00.000-07:002007-09-05T15:26:00.000-07:00Make google services Opera friendly:http://my.oper...<B>Make google services Opera friendly:</B><BR/><BR/>http://my.opera.com/xErath/blog/2007/01/02/the-world-through-a-google<BR/><BR/><B>For Windows User: To make Opera more compatible with other pages without opening another browser:</B><BR/><BR/>http://my.opera.com/operafan2006/blog/show.dml/498628<BR/><BR/><B>I think that if they want to find a commercial niche Opera should focus all their efforts on a good mobile browser now, start merging the Opera Mini vs Opera Mobile for instance, and really improve those browsers, and give up on the desktop market. The top "alternative" browser is Firefox, and I can't see that changing.</B><BR/><BR/>In a way this is already what they are doing. Think of Opera Desktop as a port for the mobile/mini versions of Opera. <BR/><BR/>I disagree with Firefox being the top alternative. Mainstream maybe...but on Windows, there's many other alternatives to Firefox. Firefox 2 claim to fame is basically it's extensions. The browser itself haven't moved forward and maybe even backwards. <BR/><BR/>Speed is no longer up to par with early versions.<BR/><BR/>Integrated features still not working as seamlessly compared to other browsers. <BR/><BR/>Among the quality alternative browsers, it's the least secure. I would even contend that Maxthon/Avant which are IE based are more secure because of less exposure but treat my words as anecdotal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-4785105079357387682007-09-05T07:58:00.000-07:002007-09-05T07:58:00.000-07:00@AlexAre you Român?@Alex<BR/>Are you Român?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-20292316126083814452007-09-05T07:55:00.000-07:002007-09-05T07:55:00.000-07:00@Ionut Alex ChituWell, you are right. But I still ...@Ionut Alex Chitu<BR/><BR/>Well, you are right. But I still think Opera is easier to use than Firefox because you can deactivate almost anything...<BR/><BR/>@JS<BR/>Why do you want it to be Open? What's the advantage? Opera's been the most secure browser in the world since YEARS. The Opera community is HELPFUL, you are NEVER alone. <BR/><BR/>All things you can in FF you can do in Opera since a long time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-60757589730318778772007-09-05T07:40:00.000-07:002007-09-05T07:40:00.000-07:00The problem with Opera is that it is not Open. Sma...The problem with Opera is that it is not Open. Small market share too.Josef Sáblhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00344198679450249208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-90769119169914094442007-09-05T01:11:00.000-07:002007-09-05T01:11:00.000-07:00Yes, but normal people feel overwhelmed if you giv...Yes, but normal people feel overwhelmed if you give them so many mysteriously-named options and toolbars. There's a good book about this:<BR/><BR/>"<A HREF="http://isbn.nu/0060005688" REL="nofollow">The Paradox of Choice: Why More Is Less</A><BR/><BR/>Explains why too much choice has led to the ever increasing complexity of everyday decisions, why too much of a good thing has become detrimental to human well-being, and how to focus on making the right choices. (...)<BR/><BR/>In The Paradox of Choice, Barry Schwartz explains at what point choice -- the hallmark of individual freedom and self-determination that we so cherish -- becomes detrimental to our psychological and emotional well-being."Alex Chituhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02618542750965508582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-8151052282781990372007-09-05T01:02:00.000-07:002007-09-05T01:02:00.000-07:00@Ionut Alex ChituYou can customize almost anything...@Ionut Alex Chitu<BR/><BR/>You can customize almost anything in Opera. All menus are OPTIONAL, if you dont need them... hide/delete them :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-88723891319802874662007-09-05T01:00:00.000-07:002007-09-05T01:00:00.000-07:00I am using Opera since years and there's never bee...I am using Opera since years and there's never been a problem with any of Google's services. <BR/><BR/>I was using Firefox but finally deleted it because using 200+ just for 3 Google web pages is little high compared to Opera (took 15 megs for 3 pages)...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-1605503320706470342007-09-05T00:18:00.000-07:002007-09-05T00:18:00.000-07:00True. One of the big problems for Opera is the int...True. One of the big problems for Opera is the interface, which is too clunky, with so many buttons and options that are only used by few people. For example, Opera had eight optional toolbars (two were removed - the start bar and the view bar):<BR/><BR/>- main bar (a big toolbar with unimportant options: open, save, print, find, home)<BR/><BR/>- personal bar (similar to the bookmarks toolbar from Firefox and links bar from IE)<BR/><BR/>- tab bar (the list of open tabs)<BR/><BR/>- status bar<BR/><BR/>- address bar<BR/><BR/>- navigation bar (for navigating to different parts of a site: home, index, contents, previous/next page)<BR/><BR/>- start bar (for showing some options when you click on the address bar)<BR/><BR/>- view bar (a toolbar that can be enabled by clicking on a button)Alex Chituhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02618542750965508582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-76585850782071654742007-09-04T21:58:00.000-07:002007-09-04T21:58:00.000-07:00if Opera has bookmark toolbar like FF, more friend...if Opera has bookmark toolbar like FF, more friendly layout on Chinese, I would like to use Opera more. and the Speed Dial is cool!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-11889441148877972872007-09-04T17:30:00.000-07:002007-09-04T17:30:00.000-07:00Google was always very simple to use, Opera on the...Google was always very simple to use, Opera on the other hand wasn't very simple to use in the beginning (I don't really know about it today, I heard its preferences dialog for instance is usable today... in the past it was much too complex, too tech-expert oriented).<BR/><BR/>Also, if you look at the marketshare Opera is more like Ask. <BR/><BR/>Also, Opera was always excellent in W3C support -- e.g. they supported the next | previous | home etc. meta syntax, adding navigation right into the browser (a long forgotten technology) -- whereas Google has especially in the beginning almost universally ignored W3C standards (look at their homepage).<BR/><BR/>I think that if they want to find a commercial niche Opera should focus all their efforts on a good mobile browser now, start merging the Opera Mini vs Opera Mobile for instance, and really improve those browsers, and give up on the desktop market. The top "alternative" browser is Firefox, and I can't see that changing.Philipp Lenssenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09340991515644165702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-90138464694509079642007-09-04T11:03:00.000-07:002007-09-04T11:03:00.000-07:00Clinical Cases and Images is right (what a keyword...Clinical Cases and Images is right (<I>what a keyword-rich username. Too bad there's no Google juice for these links</I>). And the "click here to continue" link is barely visible (white text on gray background). <A HREF="http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/6485/bloggerinoperaot4.png" REL="nofollow">Here's a screenshot</A>.Alex Chituhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02618542750965508582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-30212191851641762472007-09-04T08:58:00.000-07:002007-09-04T08:58:00.000-07:00Opera works with Blogger.com. There is one extra s...Opera works with Blogger.com. There is one extra step in the logging process. After you type user name/password, you have to click on the link labeled "Click here to continue" in order to log in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-27861464692027899562007-09-04T08:16:00.000-07:002007-09-04T08:16:00.000-07:00google acquires opera.:-)google acquires opera.<BR/><BR/>:-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-28731655200664440532007-09-04T08:03:00.000-07:002007-09-04T08:03:00.000-07:00I sympathize with you. I prefer Firefox because of...I sympathize with you. I prefer Firefox because of the customizability (everything Opera can do , ff can too - and I can add and remove features at will) and the memory/CPU usage is a red herring if you keep your profiles neat and tidy and your extensions updated. But I do like Opera's out of the box configuration, and would love to recommend it to people who don't want to configure ff, but so many sites just don't like it. Similarly, I could live my life in Konqueror if anything on the web worked in it. It's not Opera's or Konq's fault, it's the sites', but that's the way things are, so Firefox is really the only option at the time being.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-54426118569492546782007-09-04T07:26:00.000-07:002007-09-04T07:26:00.000-07:00I've never had a problem logging into Blogger usin...I've never had a problem logging into Blogger using Opera. Perhaps something was wrong with your settings when you tried?Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00868894814276101467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18157064.post-68360604288249582762007-09-04T07:14:00.000-07:002007-09-04T07:14:00.000-07:00Its a lose lose situation.You can use all google s...Its a lose lose situation.<BR/><BR/>You can use all google services with firefox..but once u get it all loaded up firefox gets sluggish and runs at +250MB memory usuage :s<BR/><BR/>Opera got great memory usage yet some google stuff does not work with it.<BR/><BR/>Giving that opera is on more platforms(phones , consoles..etc) than firefox maybe google should give it more priority?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com